Advanced timings

Introduction

To be completely honest with you there is just not that much undiscovered knowledge about midlane. All agro tricks are known even to  every 5k+ player and what was innovative 4 years ago became standard in modern dota. There is however one aspect that even the best of pro players overlook. This aspect is efficiency and advanced timings. If you ask any pro player what he does in order to prepare to the most important events he will most likely say “pubbing, scrimming”. However if you are aiming to truly become the best at playing this game you need to spend some time in a private lobby figuring out the smallest of details that will give you an edge over your opponent. When do you bottlecrow? When to leave midlane to stack hard camp/ancients? In this small guide I’ll try to answer these questions.

You can surely achieve a spectacular gamesense by playing thousands of pubs. But is gamesense as reliable as numbers?

A compilation of timings that you should know when playing middle lane

This is the spot I used as a starting point to my experiments on radiant:

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This is the spot I used as a starting point to my experiments on dire:

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Hero: Shadow fiend, movement speed: 305 without boots, 350 with boots

 1 ) Bottlecrow

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This is the spot I used for the bottlecrow experiments on radiant. Speed boost was always used after taking the empty bottle.  I started measuring time at the moment I moved courier from the fountain. If you want to know the time it takes to bottlecrow if you already have courier on the radiant midlane just reduce the time given by 16 seconds because that’s how long it takes for the courier to get from the fountain to t1 mid tower. (21s for walking courier)

 

How long does it take to bottlecrow? (Radiant, walking courier) 1min 12s

How long does it take to bottlecrow? (Radiant, no speed boost) 56 s

How long does it take to bottlecrow? (Radiant, with speed boost) 48 s

Conclusions:

On average it takes about 1 minute to bottlecrow on Radiant. This means that it’s efficient to bottlecrow if there is more than one minute to the next rune: e.g. 4:50-5:00, 6:50-7:00 etc.

 untitled421This is the spot I used for the bottlecrow experiments on dire. Speed boost was always used after taking the empty bottle. I started measuring time at the moment I moved courier from the fountain. If you want to know the time it takes to bottlecrow if you already have courier on the dire midlane just reduce the time given by 19 seconds because that’s how long it takes for the courier to get from the fountain to t1 mid tower. (24s for walking courier)

How long does it take to bottlecrow? (Dire, walking courier) 1 min 20s

How long does it take to bottlecrow? (Dire, no speed boost) 1 min 4 s

How long does it take to bottlecrow? (Dire, with speed boost) 56 s

Conclusions:

This was by far the most surprising result of my tests. It turns out that for some odd reason bottlecrowing on dire takes way longer (~8s) than it does on radiant.Take that into account and bottlecrow when the timer shows ~1:10 min to the next rune, e.g. 4:40-4:50, 6:40-6:50 etc.

2) Runecontrol

How long does it take to walk from midlane to top rune? (Radiant, no boots) 9 s

How long does it take to walk from midlane to top rune? (Radiant, with boots) 7 s

How long does it take to walk from midlane to bot rune? (Radiant, no boots) 14 s

How long does it take to walk from midlane to bot rune? (Radiant, with boots) 12 s

 

How long does it take to walk from midlane to top rune? (Dire, no boots) 9s

How long does it take to walk from midlane to top rune? (Dire, with boots) 7s

How long does it take to walk from midlane to bot rune? (Dire, no boots) 13s

How long does it take to walk from midlane to bot rune? (Dire, with boots) 11s

Conclusions:

Both sides have similar timings when it comes to runes but it’s worth noting that in Dota 2: reborn on the Radiant side your hero prefers to take the river path which from my experiments is just as fast as the safer route going through the cliff above your jungle.

3) Stacking hard camp

How long does it take to walk from midlane to radiant hard camp? (No boots) 12 s

How long does it take to walk from midlane to radiant hard camp? (With boots) 10 s

How long does it take to walk from midlane to dire hard camp? (No boots) 12 s

How long does it take to walk from midlane to dire hard camp? (With boots) 10s

Conclusions:

For radiant it’s best to attack neutrals around XX:55 mark and run top or to the right. The latest you can leave the lane and still get a stack is:

XX:43 without boots, XX:45 with boots

For dire it’s best to attack neutrals around XX:54 mark and run to the south. The latest you can leave the lane and still get a stack is:

XX:42 without boots, XX:44 with boots

4) Stacking ancients

How long does it take to walk from midlane to radiant ancients? (No boots) 7s

How long does it take to walk from midlane to radiant ancients? (With boots) 6s

How long does it take to walk from midlane to dire ancients? (No boots) 13s

How long does it take to walk from midlane to dire ancients? (With boots) 11s

Conclusions:

Once again radiant have advantage over dire: stacking ancients for them is really easy as the path to the camp is significantly shorter. This should especially come in handy when playing ancients clearing heroes like TA mid.

For radiant it’s best to attack neutrals around XX:54 mark and run to the right. The latest you can leave the lane and still get a stack is:

XX:47 without boots, XX:48 with boots

For dire it’s best to attack neutrals around XX:54 mark and run to the left. The latest you can leave the lane and still get a stack is:

XX:41 without boots, XX:43 with boots

5) Roshan

How long does it take to walk from radiant midlane to Roshan? (No boots) 15s

How long does it take to walk from radiant midlane to Roshan? (With boots) 12s

How long does it take to walk from dire midlane to Roshan? (No boots) 15s

How long does it take to walk from dire midlane to Roshan? (With boots) 12s

Conclusions:

Once again, there’s no difference in the time that it takes for your hero to get to the rosh pit. After the map rework in 6.85 it takes just a little bit longer for Radiant to get to rosh by tping into their tier 1 mid tower. As taking Roshan before all heroes have boots happens very rarely it’s important to only memorize the 12s that it takes to get to Rosh from both sides.

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